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Rolo01
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 Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: DDR-SDRAM |
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| GrandAdmiralThrawn wrote: |
DDR-SDRAM on a 6000: Not possible, you would have to change the PCB for that! |
VSA100 @ DDR? This would work? Till now i thought only the VSA101 supports DDR + SDR and the VSA100 only SDR?!
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No, VSA100 does NOT support DDR. |
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GrandAdmiralThrawn
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:42 am Post subject: Memory |
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No, it would not. Only a VSA-101 would support DDR-SDRAM, as you said. You would have to redesign the whole card, not possible. Even if you can use a VSA-101 on a 6000 by rerouting its pins to match the "socket" configuration of the 6000, you would only be able to use SDR-SDRAM, as DDR's pinouts are different in number of pins and pin configuration. Additionally, signaling would be totally different. Most PCB tracks would need to have a different length and routing i guess..
The best way would be to leave the VSA-100's where they are, maybe overvolt them a bit and use fast, maybe higher density memory chips if possible. Basically just what Hank suggested. 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: Re: DDR-SDRAM |
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| GrandAdmiralThrawn wrote: |
Maximum Memory Capacity per VSA 100: 64MB (possible, because the VSA 100 supports double the memory chip density used on the actual 5500 and 6000 boards, if i am informed correctly. So, 256MB on a 6000 could be done as far as i know)
DDR-SDRAM on a 6000: Not possible, you would have to change the PCB for that!
I would be interested in getting my Rev.3700 altered though, maybe a BIT more VCore plus 5ns memory, oooh that would be some FINE board to play around with. If it's 256MB SDRAM , i'd be stunned!  |
what about a 256 MB 4ns 240 Mhz V6K , I mean it has been done some time ago right? |
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Lt.Com.DATA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Woooha, obi wants a
Voodoo 5 6k overkillboard 
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| Even if you can use a VSA-101 on a 6000 by rerouting its pins to match the "socket" configuration of the 6000, you would only be able to use SDR-SDRAM, as DDR's pinouts are different in number of pins and pin configuration. |
well using DDR-RAM you have to change the boardlayout, but...
do you mean, if you just change the VSA-100 to a VSA-101 you can use the VSA-101 with SDRAM without redesign??
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GrandAdmiralThrawn
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: VSA |
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| Lt.Com.DATA wrote: |
@ GAT
well using DDR-RAM you have to change the boardlayout, but...
do you mean, if you just change the VSA-100 to a VSA-101 you can use the VSA-101 with SDRAM without redesign?? |
Well, almost. But I'm unsure if it is technically possible. The pin configurations of VSA-100 and VSA-101 are not compatible. I do not have technical documentation on the exact pin configurations unfortunately, so i don't know how much difference there is.
You would have to place a layer between the v5 6000 and the VSA to reroute the pin layout. Maybe some sort of LGA socket, that can internally reroute pins to other positions. But if such a thing could be done, the signal path lengths would be changed too, and that can affect stability severly. On Top of that, i don't know any "easy" way to reroute those pins. If the pin configurations differ greatly, this could be hard to almost impossible.
Without technical documentation (which i was unable to locate so far) on the pinouts it's impossible to tell..
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Lt.Com.DATA wrote: |
Woooha, obi wants a
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Well who wouldn't hehe anyways I just wonder if it is possible in theory then heh, i mean with 4ns SDRAM the 240Mhz barrier should be possible only could the Napalm chips be able to hande such insane speeds? or would they only take 220Mhz a 225Mhz as max speed limmit?
has there ever been tests on that side as well, just had that in my mind for quite some time, so this might be the place to ask heh, sinc't it's about V6k SE cards afterall hehe. |
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Lt.Com.DATA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: |
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i think we gave Hank so much ideas (maybe some mad or nonsense ideas  ), that he will never find out the V5 6000 lab
untill he found a way to get the 4ns 256 RAM on the card, stable work
and AGP 4x support  
back to topic......
through the AGP (...PCI) port, from System to the V5 6k, can´t go much broadband
would help the VSA a "more PCI way"
using the PCI 1 device (AGP) and then splitt the data transfer to another to the second PCI device, or to more devices
using the port 1 to 2 or port 1 to 6 ^^
(sorry for mazy sentences... its 2 o clock in the morning now in austria^^)
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Sorry guys, I am not ignoring you. I am just lending a helping hand with A0 and A1 cards. It takes a bit of effort to get the drivers squared off.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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@ Lt.Com.DATA
you can forget AGP x4 support , since the SLi isn't capable with that function, anyways in a way like that.
@ Hank
Norries mate it's okay, just take your time then you will have more success
May The Force Be With You mate, btw A) cards aka the Rev.A0 0700 right?
hmm strange are they so much different to Rev.A1 1500's in common? |
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Lt.Com.DATA
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: |
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@ Lt.Com.DATA
you can forget AGP x4 support , since the SLi isn't capable with that function, anyways in a way like that.
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i know
but i meant why using only one "PCI", use another... and more ^^
more place for texture transfere
(or connect/link two V5 6000 or more to one)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
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ah right Multi card support hehe like how Voodoo2 are be'n connected, damn that would be godlike.
or just add 6 5500 PCI's instead for extra boost, man what a dream to get runn'n, unless you hav ethe money to afford 6 extra 6000's with each an AGP5 or AGP2PCI adapter   |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: |
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ah right Multi card support hehe like how Voodoo2 are be'n connected, damn that would be godlike.
or just add 6 5500 PCI's instead for extra boost, man what a dream to get runn'n, unless you hav ethe money to afford 6 extra 6000's with each an AGP5 or AGP2PCI adapter |
Or you "simply" take four of these!
(Quantum3D AAlchemy 8164)
If I'm rightly informed, you can still buy them for only 10.000 $ each...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| If I'm rightly informed, you can still buy them for only 10.000 $ each... |
Cheap, cheap...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| SK1 wrote: |
| Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: |
ah right Multi card support hehe like how Voodoo2 are be'n connected, damn that would be godlike.
or just add 6 5500 PCI's instead for extra boost, man what a dream to get runn'n, unless you hav ethe money to afford 6 extra 6000's with each an AGP5 or AGP2PCI adapter |
Or you "simply" take four of these!
(Quantum3D AAlchemy 8164)
If I'm rightly informed, you can still buy them for only 10.000 $ each... |
If you think 10K is cheap why not purchase like 6 of them since many EPoX EP8K5A2's and 8K3A+ mobo's have 6 PCI Slots
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SK1
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but you'll need a Matrox Millennium or something else with two D-Sub connectors, because the AAlchemy 8164 is just a 3D Accelarator, like Voodoo².
Really - If I was very rich, I'd buy four of them!
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